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Departures (6)

Callsign Dep Arr Status ETA
BAW280 KLAX EGLL Enroute 0028
UAL32 KLAX RJAA Enroute 0645
UAL2146 KLAX KDEN Enroute 1443
VIR142 KLAX EGLL Enroute 0702
AMX647 KLAX MMMX Enroute 0054
UPS127 KLAX KSDF Enroute 1600

Arrivals (12)

Callsign Dep Arr Status ETA
UAL89 KDEN KLAX Enroute 1420
SWA668 KELP KLAX Enroute 1129
HAL2 PHNL KLAX Enroute 0624
AAL2302 KDFW KLAX Enroute 0826
DAL2033 KMSP KLAX Enroute 1124
AAL1257 KMIA KLAX Enroute 0821
VRG830 SBGL KLAX Enroute 0607
CAY480 MWCR KLAX Enroute 0725
PAC238 PANC KLAX Enroute 0949
PAY7260 KOAK KLAX Enroute 1825
FDX9166 KOAK KLAX Enroute 0738
SWA3886 KPHX KLAX Enroute 0914

Los Angeles (SoCal) 18

Departures (1)

Callsign Dep Arr Status ETA
WAT4187 KONT KVGT Enroute 0752

Arrivals (1)

Callsign Dep Arr Status ETA
FDX3553 KEWR KONT Enroute 1139

Empire (SoCal) 2

Departures (3)

Callsign Dep Arr Status ETA
AAL232 KSAN KJFK Enroute 2320
SWA4654 KSAN KSFO Enroute 0750
SWA5732 KSAN KSJC Enroute 1345

Arrivals (3)

Callsign Dep Arr Status ETA
AAL240 KDFW KSAN Enroute 0800
DAL2436 KSLC KSAN Enroute 0858
WJA1564 CYYC KSAN Enroute 1600

San Diego (SoCal) 6

Departures (2)

Callsign Dep Arr Status ETA
HAL69 KLGB PHNL Enroute 0418
N881W KSNA KAST Enroute 1600

Arrivals (1)

Callsign Dep Arr Status ETA
SWA508 KLAS KSNA Enroute 1600

Coast (SoCal) 3

Departures (3)

Callsign Dep Arr Status ETA
N469BB KBUR KHDN Enroute 0822
SWA2041 KBUR KAUS Enroute 2349
CFHIH KVNY KOPF Enroute 0210

Burbank (SoCal) 3

Departures (1)

Callsign Dep Arr Status ETA
SCX618 KPSP KMSP Enroute 2312

Palm Springs (SoCal) 1

Departures (9)

Callsign Dep Arr Status ETA
SWA411 KLAS KPIT Arriving
ACA1280 KLAS CYYZ Enroute 2358
AAY415 KLAS KCVG Enroute 2324
DAL519 KLAS KCVG Enroute 2320
N316PR KLAS KCHD Enroute 1600
NKS1026 KLAS KDFW Enroute 2336
AAL1853 KLAS KDFW Enroute 2333
AAL575 KLAS KPHX Enroute 0635
SWA508 KLAS KSNA Enroute 1600

Arrivals (10)

Callsign Dep Arr Status ETA
AAY94 KBOI KLAS Enroute 0951
SWA120 KSLC KLAS Enroute 0926
SWA1959 KSLC KLAS Enroute 1106
SWA441 KSLC KLAS Enroute 0841
SWA209 KSLC KLAS Enroute 0918
WAT4187 KONT KVGT Enroute 0752
DAL2943 KSEA KLAS Enroute 1600
UAL633 KDEN KLAS Enroute 0949
N1ST KSLC KLAS Enroute 1018
DAL2571 KSLC KLAS Enroute 0201

Las Vegas 19

Departures (1)

Callsign Dep Arr Status ETA
N5977P KSBP KMPI Enroute 0314

Santa Barbara 1
  • Flights To/From ZLA: 53
  • Flights in ZLA Airspace: 12
  • Controller Schedule

    April 23rd, 2024

    Lindbergh Tower
    Kevin Nguyen

    Session with BY

    1630 - 1800 PDT / 2330 - 0100 Zulu

    Socal Approach (West)
    Andrew Selzer

    Session with NC

    1900 - 2030 PDT / 0200 - 0330 Zulu

    Left Turn ORCKA

    LAX is one of the busiest airports on VATSIM, both for controllers and pilots. Since it is such a heavily trafficked airport on VATSIM and in the real world, there are many departure and arrival procedures that are used to expedite the flow of traffic. Of these departures, the ORCKA departure, is both very commonly included in flight plans, and prone to some mistakes. By writing this, I hope to clear up some confusion caused by the unique departure procedure and the cluttered plate.

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    Let’s start by looking at the departure, shown here first using the FAA plate.

     

    Despite what the lines may appear to show, pilots must not proceed to KLIPR after crossing their runway’s respective RNAV fix.

    This is not the complete procedure, simply the first page. We can see on the bottom the plate that there is a second page for us to look at. Additionally, we should know that dotted lines on a procedure indicate what pilots should do during a Lost Communications scenario. The second page, which describes how to fly the departure in text, is much more enlightening than this first page. For the south complex (runways 25R and 25L) it says, “... cross DOCKR (25R) or HIPPR (25L) at or below 3000, then on heading 236 or as assigned by ATC,” and for the north complex (runways 24R and 24L) “...cross FABRA (24R) or DLREY (24L) at or below 3000, then on heading 251 or as assigned by ATC.”

    That last part seems to trip the most pilots up, “then on heading <> or as assigned by ATC.” This means that, if flying by hand, simply fly the heading on the departure until ATC gives you a turn direct to KLIPR, then resume the departure from there (on to KEGGS and so on). It seems far more often pilots let the FMC dictate where they go, which while not an issue generally can cause problems when programmed incorrectly. Specifically, with the deletion of “VECTORS” legs and the removal of discontinuities therein. In order for the FMC to properly fly the departure, it is imperative that the “VECTORS” leg be left intact. Such a leg will keep your airplane flying the correct heading until ATC gives you a turn.

    Let’s work through this with a scenario. I will be using the Zibo 737-800 mod for XPlane 11 as an example.

    You are N12345, flying from LAX to LAS. Clearance delivery has cleared you on the ORCKA5 departure, MISEN transition, climb via SID except maintain 5000. Loading the departure into the flight plan, you are greeted with this.

     

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    As we can see, there is the 640’ crossing, from which we navigate to DOCKR at or below 3000. After, the “VECTOR” leg mentioned earlier is shown. It is absolutely imperative that pilots do not delete this leg. As shown, the vector leg is on a heading of 236, as published on the departure. The same is true for the north runways, but on a heading of 251.

    But what if your FMC does not have this VECTORS leg present? If after ensuring that there hasn’t been a mistake in loading the departure, and that your navdata is up to date and the leg still isn’t present, simply fly using heading. The two ways of doing this (with or without autopilot engaged) is to fly in LNAV mode until DOCKR and then switch to heading mode, or to use heading mode from the start. While the latter option does not legally fly the RNAV departure, it is fairly accurate for sim reasons, as real aircraft would not have this issue when loading the departure.

    You start up and taxi out to runway 25R. Tower tells you “N12345 RNAV DOCKR wind calm runway 25R cleared for takeoff.” Throttles go up, airspeed builds, and you takeoff. Per the departure “climb on heading 251 to 640 feet, then climb direct to cross DOCKR at or below 3000.” Up you go, passing through 640’ easily, and onto DOCKR.

    Contacting departure, the controller says “N12345 radar contact, altitude as reported, climb via ORCKA5 departure.” Now what? Simple, continue flying the departure. After DOCKR, begin the vectors leg, in this case on heading 236. The “climb via SID” part of the instruction simply means you can ignore the “except maintain 5000” from the initial clearance on the ground. To what altitude? FL230, shown on the bottom right of the Jeppesen chart and top middle of the FAA charts, complying with altitude restrictions. In short order, the controller will issue an instruction for you to rejoin the departure at KLIPR, either with another assigned heading or a vector directly to the fix.

    To briefly summarize, the ORCKA departure is frequently flown incorrectly, causing loss of separation issues at LAX. This can be attributed to some misinformation floating around online about deleting VECTORS legs in flight plans, and confusing charting on FAA departure plates. Ensure that the VECTORS leg is present in your FMC when loading the departure into the FMC. If it is not present, simply fly either manually or using the heading mode present in almost all autopilots manufactured in the last 70 years.

    I hope this has been informative, and I look forward to seeing you all in the virtual skies!