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Callsign Dep Arr Status ETA
DAL89 KLAX VHHH Enroute 1948
SAS932 KLAX EKCH Enroute 2018
BEL064 KLAX EBBR Enroute 2124
DAL292 KLAX EHAM Enroute 0004
UAL1284 KLAX KSEA Enroute 1953
DAL526 KLAX KDEN Enroute 0249
AAL2785 KLAX KLAS Enroute 0837
DAL4121 KLAX KSFO Enroute 1048
AAL1668 KLAX KPHX Enroute 0422
DAL5126 KLAX KPHX Enroute 0503
DAL811 KLAX KMIA Enroute 2159
DAL8781 KLAX KSEA Enroute 0349
SAS930 KLAX EKCH Enroute 1202
DAL212 KLAX KLAS Enroute 2359
FFT1062 KLAX KPHX Enroute 1601
UAL594 KLAX KSAN Enroute 1600
SWA1322 KLAX KLAS Enroute 1600

Arrivals (30)

Callsign Dep Arr Status ETA
UAL842 YSSY KLAX Enroute 0147
FIN1 EFHK KLAX Enroute 1036
KAL207 RKSI KLAX Enroute 0605
KAL17 RKSI KLAX Enroute 0444
BKN2320 KMCO KLAX Enroute 1726
IBE03ZB LEMD KLAX Enroute 0758
AAL3288 KMIA KLAX Enroute 0208
VIR141 EGLL KLAX Enroute 0744
WJA1424 CYEG KLAX Enroute 1600
AAL315 KMIA KLAX Enroute 0142
ACA785 CYYZ KLAX Enroute 2256
BOX502 VHHH KLAX Enroute 0648
AAL2419 KSLC KLAX Enroute 1600
AAL525 KMIA KLAX Enroute 0224
TNA905 KTPA KLAX Enroute 0217
JBU487 KBOS KLAX Enroute 0633
AAL27 KORD KLAX Enroute 0421
CMP360 MPTO KLAX Enroute 0059
EVA19 RCTP KLAX Enroute 0247
BAW121 EGLL KLAX Enroute 2057
SWA3161 KDAL KLAX Enroute 0231
WJA1022 CYYC KLAX Enroute 0626
FFT561 KLAS KLAX Enroute 2058
FDX9177 PHNL KLAX Enroute 0946
ASA893 KLAS KLAX Enroute 1600
DAL2378 KSAN KLAX Enroute 0440
UAL1706 KIAH KLAX Enroute 0532
UAL1169 PHNL KLAX Enroute 1259
FBU341 KMIA KLAX Departing
UAL784 MMGL KLAX Enroute 1600

Los Angeles (SoCal) 47

Departures (1)

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UAL1316 KONT KDEN Enroute 0449

Arrivals (4)

Callsign Dep Arr Status ETA
FDX503 KPDX KONT Enroute 0347
FFT2907 KDEN KONT Enroute 0301
AAL12 KSFO KSBD Enroute 1600
N709LD KONT KONT Enroute 0529

Empire (SoCal) 5

Departures (12)

Callsign Dep Arr Status ETA
EJA129 KSAN MPTO Enroute 1822
SWA3478 KSAN KBNA Enroute 1809
INV3015 KSAN PHNL Enroute 0100
AAL1250 KSAN KSLC Enroute 0619
SWA1865 KSAN PHNL Enroute 0011
QXE2091 KSAN KSJC Enroute 0251
QXE5811 KSAN KLAS Enroute 2053
WAT3337 KSAN MMSF Enroute 1351
DAL2378 KSAN KLAX Enroute 0440
AAL732 KSAN CYYC Enroute 1600
UAL2237 KSAN KIAH Enroute 1600
FFT1223 KSAN KLAS Enroute 1600

Arrivals (14)

Callsign Dep Arr Status ETA
KLM639 EHAM KSAN Enroute 0603
N172SG KSAN Enroute 0150
ASA1623 KSJC KSAN Enroute 0855
BAW82P EGLL KSAN Enroute 1949
UAL2399 KIAH KSAN Enroute 0218
AAL1256 KLAS KSAN Enroute 0336
N916VD KTRK KSAN Enroute 0253
N376S KDEN KSAN Enroute 0336
SWA347 KLAS KSAN Enroute 1600
UAL594 KLAX KSAN Enroute 1600
N750BR KVNY KSAN Enroute 1600
BAW139 KSFO KSAN Enroute 1600
UAL2177 KSFO KSAN Enroute 1600
ASA511 KDFW KSAN Departing

San Diego (SoCal) 26

Departures (2)

Callsign Dep Arr Status ETA
UAL661 KSNA KEWR Enroute 2032
AAL201 KSNA KPHX Enroute 0033

Arrivals (1)

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SWA3684 KSJC KLGB Enroute 0427

Coast (SoCal) 3

Departures (2)

Callsign Dep Arr Status ETA
N304GS KBUR KSAC Enroute 0449
N750BR KVNY KSAN Enroute 1600

Arrivals (1)

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AAL2523 KLAS KBUR Enroute 2336

Burbank (SoCal) 3

Departures (1)

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AAL281 KPSP KEGE Enroute 1406

Arrivals (1)

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DAL969 KJFK KPSP Departing

Palm Springs (SoCal) 2

Departures (8)

Callsign Dep Arr Status ETA
DAL430 KLAS KBOS Enroute 1853
AAL2523 KLAS KBUR Enroute 2336
FFT561 KLAS KLAX Enroute 2058
AAL1256 KLAS KSAN Enroute 0336
ASA893 KLAS KLAX Enroute 1600
DWI7 KLAS MDSD Enroute 1600
SWA347 KLAS KSAN Enroute 1600
AAL45 KLAS MDSD Enroute 1600

Arrivals (14)

Callsign Dep Arr Status ETA
AFR8V LFPG KLAS Enroute 0429
AAL2010 KMIA KLAS Enroute 0255
JBU1707 KFLL KLAS Enroute 1600
WAT415 KBOI KLAS Enroute 0633
AAL2785 KLAX KLAS Enroute 0837
SWA652 KHOU KLAS Enroute 0233
WAT4945 KHCR KLAS Enroute 0853
QXE5811 KSAN KLAS Enroute 2053
DAL212 KLAX KLAS Enroute 2359
KLM635 EHAM KLAS Enroute 1244
DAL8815 KJFK KLAS Departing
AAL4568 KMIA KLAS Departing
SWA1322 KLAX KLAS Enroute 1600
FFT1223 KSAN KLAS Enroute 1600

Las Vegas 22

Departures (1)

Callsign Dep Arr Status ETA
TROY47 KLSV Enroute 1502

Nellis 1

Arrivals (1)

Callsign Dep Arr Status ETA
N484SJ KASE KWJF Enroute 0342

Edwards 1
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  • Controller Schedule

    July 11th, 2026

    Socal Approach (Combined)
    Justin Nguyen

    Session with CH

    1530 - 1700 PDT / 2230 - 0000 Zulu

    Los Angeles Center
    Mohammad Mirza

    Session with TY

    1700 - 1830 PDT / 0000 - 0130 Zulu

    Mastering the KAYOH5 Arrival

    Purpose

    This article has been written due to popular demand. Its aim is to assist all ZLA controllers in mastering the KAYOH4 arrival for the ILS 20R at John Wayne Airport (KSNA). The article is aimed at all controller levels but is in no way meant to describe a one and only way to work this arrival. Its more a guideline.

    Introduction

    For the purpose of this article we are going to restrict ourselves to traffic arriving on the KAYOH5 for the ILS Approach to Rwy 20R at John Wayne Airport.

    The KAYOH5 is deemed to be one of the more difficult arrival procedures to control due to high terrain in the proximity of the airport as well as the Coast sector airspace layout North of the airport. Because of this, speed control is essential. I will coming back this again and again during the article.

    The weather:
    It is important to assess the weather situation of airports in your sector. It will affect how far away from the approach gate you will need to vector your arriving aircraft.

    Initial Contact

    Aircraft on the KAYOH5 arrival enter SoCal Approach airspace through the Empire Area. The Empire Area controllers are responsible for ensuring that KAYOH5 arrivals are handed to the Coast Area direct to KAYOH (either on the STAR or having been taken off the STAR and given direct KAYOH), crossing KAYOH at 8,000 and 190kts. It is imperative that arriving aircraft meet these restrictions on time. If you, the Coast controller, has reason to believe that the aircraft is going faster than 190kts you should ask the pilot what their Indicated Airspeed is and if it is greater than 190kts, advise them to start reducing to 190kts.

    On initial contact, issue arriving aircraft any relevant approach information as well as instructions for descent after KAYOH and a heading to depart KAYOH. There are several ways you can handle the descent and heading out of KAYOH.

    Option A

    You can instruct the aircraft to: "...cross KAYOH at 8,000, descend and maintain 5,000, depart KAYOH heading 280 vectors for the localizer".

    The actual MVA over KAYOH is 6,000'. However, because there is such as short distance between KAYOH and the 5,000' MVA, you can use anticipated separation to descend the aircraft all the way to 5,000'. Essentially, using anticipate separation in this case, means that you anticipate your arrival will not be able to descend 2,000' in 3 or 4 miles and therefore will not descend below 6,000' in the 6,000' MVA. Anticipate separation is use a lot in Local (Tower) controlling.

    Giving the descent clearance prior to KAYOH can be a good idea because it helps insure the pilot will start his descent even if you become distracted for a few seconds and forget about him. Having the aircraft descending at the right places is very important. Giving a late descent clearance is not really an option for this arrival and it becomes difficult to rectify a situation where this has happened. The aircraft is still in Empire Airspace until KAYOH, hence the reason you need to keep the aircraft at 8,000 until KAYOH.

    The 280 heading is as far north as you can turn the aircraft at KAYOH. If you turn the aircraft any more north than that, the will pass within 1.5 miles of the airspace boarder between Coast and Empire.

    Option B

    Initially, you can instruct the aircraft to: "...depart KAYOH heading 280, vectors for the localizer". Once the aircraft has reached KAYOH, you can give the descent instruction: "...descend and maintain 5,000'".

    This is how controllers work KAYOH arrivals in the real world. You must make sure you issue this instruction at KAYOH. Try very hard not miss that instruction. If you are under pressure and traffic levels are high and you think you may miss the descent call, use Option A instead.

    Option C

    This is your escape option. Due to the lack of airspace allocated to the Coast area north of the 20R localizer, there can only be a finite number of aircraft that you can safely fit between KAYOH and the ILS 20R final approach course. In saying this, you also need to take into account any aircraft joining the final approach West of the airport i.e. aircraft on the TANDY arrival. There may be times where you need more space between KAYOH and the airport. The best way to create more space (and time), is to vector the aircraft from KAYOH over the top of the final approach course, near LEMON, on a heading of 250 or 260 degrees. You can delay the descent clearance until KAYOH if you are going to use this method if you wish. You can give the following initial approach clearance:

    "...depart KAYOH heading 260, vectors across the localizer for sequence." Once the aircraft has reached KAYOH, assign 5,000. "...descend and maintain 5,000'".

    Jack be nimble, Jack be quick, will Jack make it to the Final Approach Fix?

    ?The key here is to make sure your arrivals are slowing and descending. Some pilots are not as quick as they should be when it comes to following instructions. If need be, advise the pilot that they need to start descending otherwise they will be too high and you will need to spin them. That usually does the trick. If you need to, instruct the pilot to give you his best rate of descent or tell him to increase his rate of descent.

    Option A and B

    Descend your aircraft via the MVAs. You need to slow the aircraft down again - I suggest 180kts for jets as a start, and you can slow props down further than that if you wish. If the pilot was slow to turn at KAYOH, you will need to turn him further North until the reach 1.5 miles from the edge of Coast airspace. The lowest altitude you should assign prior to turning the aircraft towards the localizer should be 4,000. You can use anticipated separation when descending aircraft with the MVA. Usually they will not be quick enough to be level at 5,000 in the 5,000 MVA. Because the edge of the 3,000/4,000 MVA is so close to the localizer, you should be turning the aircraft to join the localizer first before you look at giving them further descent. If you wait until the aircraft has reached the 3,000 MVA they will have no hope in making the turn onto final. Wait for as long as possible before turning the aircraft to join the localizer but make sure they don't overshoot. "...turn left heading 220, join the 20R localizer".

    Option C:

    Do not descend your aircraft below 4,000 until he is clear of the 20R localizer - you might have traffic on the 20R final approach which should be between 3,000' and 2,600'. Once they are clear of any traffic on the 20R localizer as well as traffic on the downwind, you can give a downwind heading of somewhere between 020 and 040 (depending on where they are). Now would be a good time to give a 180kt speed restriction and a descent to 3,000. Turn the aircraft to a base leg of 100 such that the aircraft will be able to join the 20R final approach at SNAKE. If the visibility is greater than 3SM and the ceiling is higher than 3,500' (3,000' MVA + 500') you can join the aircraft between SNAKE and LEMON and provided you keep them in the 2,600' MVA you can have them join right on LEMON at 2,600'.

    Approach Clearance

    Option A and B

    No surprises here. You have to be quick on this too. Once the aircraft has reached the edge of the 3,000' MVA you need to do the approach clearance. "...is five miles from LEMON, descend and maintain 3,000 until established localizer, cleared ILS 20R approach". The problem is, too many pilots wait until you read the whole clearance before they start doing doing anything. This means you loose a good 5-10 seconds of descent time. It might be a good idea to give the clearance whilst the pilot is just inside the 4,000' MVA. Be very careful about this. You don't want to have a deal because the pilot decided they were going to be on the ball right there and then. It doesn't take too long to figure out the reaction times of your pilots. Use this to help you determine how early (or late) to issue instructions. You should aim to have the pilot cross SNAKE at or below 3,300'. If this happens, you hit the nail so hard it went straight through the wall. It doesn't matter too much either, if the pilot crosses SNAKE at say 3,500' because the aircraft will be descending at a greater vertical speed than they would be if the were established on the glide scope which means they will get under it (just).

    Option C:

    Do not descend your aircraft below 4,000 until he is clear of the 19R localizer - you might have traffic on the 20R final approach which should be between 3,000' and 2,600'. Once they are clear of any traffic on the 20R localizer as well as traffic on the downwind, you can give a downwind heading of somewhere between 020 and 040 (depending on where they are). Now would be a good time to give a 180kt speed restriction and a descent to 3,000. Turn the aircraft to a base leg of 100 such that the aircraft will be able to join the 19R final approach at SNAKE. If the visibility is greater than 3SM and the ceiling is higher than 3,500' (3,000' MVA + 500') you can join the aircraft between SNAKE and LEMON and provided you keep them in the 2,600' MVA you can have them join right on LEMON at 2,600'.

    Conclusion

    Once the aircraft is established, all you have to is hand him to John Wayne Tower. This gets done at LEMON (the outer marker). You'll find that their isn't much time between your approach clearance an LEMON. Make sure you don't forget about your aircraft!

    Some Tips:

    1) Visual Approaches are your friend. Chain visual approaches are even better friends. Use these to help you ease your workload when the weather is nice. You can use chain visuals for KAYOH5 aircraft following KAYOH5 aircraft. This involves very little work on your part, which is great! If you only have one KAYOH5 arrival you can chain him to anything else on or turning final.

    2) Vectoring is a great way to create space and give yourself time. You have a radar. Use it!

    3) Don't be afraid to give pilots a nudge or two if they are not following your instructions in a timely fashion. It will save everybody a great deal of hassle later.

    4) Practice makes perfect. Log onto the Coast Area as much as you can.