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CCA930 KLAX ZBAA Arriving
APZ102 KLAX RKSI Enroute 2145
UAE9933 KLAX EHAM Enroute 2121
FIN2 KLAX EFHK Enroute 0024
PAL103 KLAX RPLL Enroute 0052
LSP603 KLAX SCEL Enroute 0223
UNL515 KLAX KJFK Enroute 2116
AAL2546 KLAX MMMX Arriving
SWA3223 KLAX KMDW Enroute 2148
DAL1793 KLAX MMPR Enroute 0206
AAL510 KLAX PHLI Enroute 0433
PAY7260 KLAX KDEN Enroute 1123
GTI8841 KLAX LKPR Enroute 0546
RPV38 KLAX YBBN Enroute 2229
UAL260 KLAX KDEN Enroute 0535
UAL2086 KLAX KIAH Enroute 2320
AAL2028 KLAX KDFW Enroute 2239
N242AB KSMO KHHR Enroute 1320
N227WC KLAX KPHX Enroute 0434
BAW8789 KLAX PHNL Enroute 1600
SWA999 KLAX KMIA Enroute 1600
FDX1216 KLAX KDEN Enroute 1425
KAC111 KLAX KSFO Enroute 1600
AAL297 KLAX PHNL Enroute 0503
N2A KCPM KCMP Enroute 1509
DAL2541 KLAX KSJC Enroute 1600
TAM8087 KLAX SBGR Enroute 1600
N777VP KLAX KSBA Enroute 1600
UAL1260 KLAX KDEN Enroute 2243
DAL8115 KLAX PHOG Enroute 1600

Arrivals (22)

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AUA51 LOWW KLAX Enroute 0615
SAS931 EKCH KLAX Enroute 0935
CES583 ZSPD KLAX Enroute 0630
DAL763 KATL KLAX Enroute 1133
AFR24X LFPG KLAX Enroute 0924
BAW7D EGLL KLAX Enroute 1104
AAL1668 KPHX KLAX Enroute 0759
DAL2974 KMSP KLAX Enroute 0746
DAL1963 KIAH KLAX Enroute 0634
AAL1154 KDFW KLAX Enroute 0538
GTI8021 KMIA KLAX Enroute 0542
UAL360 KBOS KLAX Enroute 0957
VOI710 MMMX KLAX Enroute 0441
FDX73 PANC KLAX Enroute 0530
AAL2160 MMUN KLAX Enroute 0430
N242AB KSMO KHHR Enroute 1320
SWR40 LSZH KLAX Enroute 1600
AAL2368 KPHX KLAX Enroute 1600
DAL3142 KATL KLAX Departing
UAL1430 KPHX KLAX Enroute 1600
DAL765 KATL KLAX Departing
UPS5QA KABQ KLAX Enroute 1600

Los Angeles (SoCal) 52

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AIRPOD2 KSAN KMIA Enroute 2214
ASA815 KSAN PHNL Enroute 0429
DAL5150 KSAN KPHX Enroute 1644
AAL2979 KSAN KMIA Enroute 0002
ASA1459 KSAN KDFW Enroute 1600
NITMR53 KNKX KNZY Enroute 1600

Arrivals (3)

Callsign Dep Arr Status ETA
SWA5796 KTPA KSAN Enroute 0612
FFT1469 KLAS KSAN Enroute 1137
NITMR53 KNKX KNZY Enroute 1600

San Diego (SoCal) 9

Departures (4)

Callsign Dep Arr Status ETA
NAC26 KSNA KOMA Enroute 2155
JTC226 KLGB KJZI Enroute 2302
NEA1102 KSNA KIAD Arriving
AAL3171 KSNA KPHX Enroute 1600

Arrivals (1)

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AAL6091 KAUS KSNA Enroute 2201

Coast (SoCal) 5

Departures (1)

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DCM73C KVNY KACV Enroute 0126

Burbank (SoCal) 1

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UAL482 KORD KPSP Departing

Palm Springs (SoCal) 1

Departures (8)

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CPA87T KLAS PHNL Enroute 0251
WAT3632 KLAS LFPG Enroute 0325
WWA3311 KLAS KFRG Enroute 2103
ASA72 KLAS KSEA Enroute 0102
UAL787 KLAS KJAC Enroute 0953
FFT1469 KLAS KSAN Enroute 1137
WAT1341 KLAS KASE Enroute 1018
AAY3978 KLAS KABQ Enroute 1600

Arrivals (11)

Callsign Dep Arr Status ETA
AAL2016 KORD KLAS Enroute 1321
DAL755 PHOG KLAS Enroute 0444
NKS2510 KABQ KLAS Enroute 1600
AAL5077 KTPA KLAS Enroute 0618
SWA4912 PANC KLAS Enroute 0813
FDX1546 KSFO KLAS Enroute 1455
N140JP KTEB KLAS Enroute 1840
SWA2552 KELP KLAS Enroute 0010
WLF712 KABQ KLAS Enroute 1600
NKS931 KABQ KLAS Enroute 1542
DAL1522 KABQ KLAS Enroute 0000

Las Vegas 19

Arrivals (1)

Callsign Dep Arr Status ETA
N777VP KLAX KSBA Enroute 1600

Santa Barbara 1

Departures (3)

Callsign Dep Arr Status ETA
CFC4099 KEDW CYOD Enroute 0833
FOL21 KMHV MMCY Enroute 0339
BENGL31 KEDW KNID Enroute 0332

Arrivals (2)

Callsign Dep Arr Status ETA
COOK73 KOLU KWJF Enroute 1119
BENGL31 KEDW KNID Enroute 0332

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  • Controller Schedule

    May 31st, 2026

    Los Angeles Tower
    Gil Tzoore

    Session with GK

    1200 - 1330 PDT / 1900 - 2030 Zulu

    Los Angeles Tower
    Bill Bymel

    1400 - 1600 PDT / 2100 - 2300 Zulu

    Socal Approach (West)
    Alston Hao

    Session with ER

    1600 - 1730 PDT / 2300 - 0030 Zulu

    Lindbergh Tower
    Matthew Oswald

    Session with GK

    1730 - 1900 PDT / 0030 - 0200 Zulu

    Lindbergh Tower
    Joseph Harrison

    LINDY SUNDAY NIGHT SESH

    2000 - 2200 PDT / 0300 - 0500 Zulu

    Mastering the KAYOH5 Arrival

    Purpose

    This article has been written due to popular demand. Its aim is to assist all ZLA controllers in mastering the KAYOH4 arrival for the ILS 20R at John Wayne Airport (KSNA). The article is aimed at all controller levels but is in no way meant to describe a one and only way to work this arrival. Its more a guideline.

    Introduction

    For the purpose of this article we are going to restrict ourselves to traffic arriving on the KAYOH5 for the ILS Approach to Rwy 20R at John Wayne Airport.

    The KAYOH5 is deemed to be one of the more difficult arrival procedures to control due to high terrain in the proximity of the airport as well as the Coast sector airspace layout North of the airport. Because of this, speed control is essential. I will coming back this again and again during the article.

    The weather:
    It is important to assess the weather situation of airports in your sector. It will affect how far away from the approach gate you will need to vector your arriving aircraft.

    Initial Contact

    Aircraft on the KAYOH5 arrival enter SoCal Approach airspace through the Empire Area. The Empire Area controllers are responsible for ensuring that KAYOH5 arrivals are handed to the Coast Area direct to KAYOH (either on the STAR or having been taken off the STAR and given direct KAYOH), crossing KAYOH at 8,000 and 190kts. It is imperative that arriving aircraft meet these restrictions on time. If you, the Coast controller, has reason to believe that the aircraft is going faster than 190kts you should ask the pilot what their Indicated Airspeed is and if it is greater than 190kts, advise them to start reducing to 190kts.

    On initial contact, issue arriving aircraft any relevant approach information as well as instructions for descent after KAYOH and a heading to depart KAYOH. There are several ways you can handle the descent and heading out of KAYOH.

    Option A

    You can instruct the aircraft to: "...cross KAYOH at 8,000, descend and maintain 5,000, depart KAYOH heading 280 vectors for the localizer".

    The actual MVA over KAYOH is 6,000'. However, because there is such as short distance between KAYOH and the 5,000' MVA, you can use anticipated separation to descend the aircraft all the way to 5,000'. Essentially, using anticipate separation in this case, means that you anticipate your arrival will not be able to descend 2,000' in 3 or 4 miles and therefore will not descend below 6,000' in the 6,000' MVA. Anticipate separation is use a lot in Local (Tower) controlling.

    Giving the descent clearance prior to KAYOH can be a good idea because it helps insure the pilot will start his descent even if you become distracted for a few seconds and forget about him. Having the aircraft descending at the right places is very important. Giving a late descent clearance is not really an option for this arrival and it becomes difficult to rectify a situation where this has happened. The aircraft is still in Empire Airspace until KAYOH, hence the reason you need to keep the aircraft at 8,000 until KAYOH.

    The 280 heading is as far north as you can turn the aircraft at KAYOH. If you turn the aircraft any more north than that, the will pass within 1.5 miles of the airspace boarder between Coast and Empire.

    Option B

    Initially, you can instruct the aircraft to: "...depart KAYOH heading 280, vectors for the localizer". Once the aircraft has reached KAYOH, you can give the descent instruction: "...descend and maintain 5,000'".

    This is how controllers work KAYOH arrivals in the real world. You must make sure you issue this instruction at KAYOH. Try very hard not miss that instruction. If you are under pressure and traffic levels are high and you think you may miss the descent call, use Option A instead.

    Option C

    This is your escape option. Due to the lack of airspace allocated to the Coast area north of the 20R localizer, there can only be a finite number of aircraft that you can safely fit between KAYOH and the ILS 20R final approach course. In saying this, you also need to take into account any aircraft joining the final approach West of the airport i.e. aircraft on the TANDY arrival. There may be times where you need more space between KAYOH and the airport. The best way to create more space (and time), is to vector the aircraft from KAYOH over the top of the final approach course, near LEMON, on a heading of 250 or 260 degrees. You can delay the descent clearance until KAYOH if you are going to use this method if you wish. You can give the following initial approach clearance:

    "...depart KAYOH heading 260, vectors across the localizer for sequence." Once the aircraft has reached KAYOH, assign 5,000. "...descend and maintain 5,000'".

    Jack be nimble, Jack be quick, will Jack make it to the Final Approach Fix?

    ?The key here is to make sure your arrivals are slowing and descending. Some pilots are not as quick as they should be when it comes to following instructions. If need be, advise the pilot that they need to start descending otherwise they will be too high and you will need to spin them. That usually does the trick. If you need to, instruct the pilot to give you his best rate of descent or tell him to increase his rate of descent.

    Option A and B

    Descend your aircraft via the MVAs. You need to slow the aircraft down again - I suggest 180kts for jets as a start, and you can slow props down further than that if you wish. If the pilot was slow to turn at KAYOH, you will need to turn him further North until the reach 1.5 miles from the edge of Coast airspace. The lowest altitude you should assign prior to turning the aircraft towards the localizer should be 4,000. You can use anticipated separation when descending aircraft with the MVA. Usually they will not be quick enough to be level at 5,000 in the 5,000 MVA. Because the edge of the 3,000/4,000 MVA is so close to the localizer, you should be turning the aircraft to join the localizer first before you look at giving them further descent. If you wait until the aircraft has reached the 3,000 MVA they will have no hope in making the turn onto final. Wait for as long as possible before turning the aircraft to join the localizer but make sure they don't overshoot. "...turn left heading 220, join the 20R localizer".

    Option C:

    Do not descend your aircraft below 4,000 until he is clear of the 20R localizer - you might have traffic on the 20R final approach which should be between 3,000' and 2,600'. Once they are clear of any traffic on the 20R localizer as well as traffic on the downwind, you can give a downwind heading of somewhere between 020 and 040 (depending on where they are). Now would be a good time to give a 180kt speed restriction and a descent to 3,000. Turn the aircraft to a base leg of 100 such that the aircraft will be able to join the 20R final approach at SNAKE. If the visibility is greater than 3SM and the ceiling is higher than 3,500' (3,000' MVA + 500') you can join the aircraft between SNAKE and LEMON and provided you keep them in the 2,600' MVA you can have them join right on LEMON at 2,600'.

    Approach Clearance

    Option A and B

    No surprises here. You have to be quick on this too. Once the aircraft has reached the edge of the 3,000' MVA you need to do the approach clearance. "...is five miles from LEMON, descend and maintain 3,000 until established localizer, cleared ILS 20R approach". The problem is, too many pilots wait until you read the whole clearance before they start doing doing anything. This means you loose a good 5-10 seconds of descent time. It might be a good idea to give the clearance whilst the pilot is just inside the 4,000' MVA. Be very careful about this. You don't want to have a deal because the pilot decided they were going to be on the ball right there and then. It doesn't take too long to figure out the reaction times of your pilots. Use this to help you determine how early (or late) to issue instructions. You should aim to have the pilot cross SNAKE at or below 3,300'. If this happens, you hit the nail so hard it went straight through the wall. It doesn't matter too much either, if the pilot crosses SNAKE at say 3,500' because the aircraft will be descending at a greater vertical speed than they would be if the were established on the glide scope which means they will get under it (just).

    Option C:

    Do not descend your aircraft below 4,000 until he is clear of the 19R localizer - you might have traffic on the 20R final approach which should be between 3,000' and 2,600'. Once they are clear of any traffic on the 20R localizer as well as traffic on the downwind, you can give a downwind heading of somewhere between 020 and 040 (depending on where they are). Now would be a good time to give a 180kt speed restriction and a descent to 3,000. Turn the aircraft to a base leg of 100 such that the aircraft will be able to join the 19R final approach at SNAKE. If the visibility is greater than 3SM and the ceiling is higher than 3,500' (3,000' MVA + 500') you can join the aircraft between SNAKE and LEMON and provided you keep them in the 2,600' MVA you can have them join right on LEMON at 2,600'.

    Conclusion

    Once the aircraft is established, all you have to is hand him to John Wayne Tower. This gets done at LEMON (the outer marker). You'll find that their isn't much time between your approach clearance an LEMON. Make sure you don't forget about your aircraft!

    Some Tips:

    1) Visual Approaches are your friend. Chain visual approaches are even better friends. Use these to help you ease your workload when the weather is nice. You can use chain visuals for KAYOH5 aircraft following KAYOH5 aircraft. This involves very little work on your part, which is great! If you only have one KAYOH5 arrival you can chain him to anything else on or turning final.

    2) Vectoring is a great way to create space and give yourself time. You have a radar. Use it!

    3) Don't be afraid to give pilots a nudge or two if they are not following your instructions in a timely fashion. It will save everybody a great deal of hassle later.

    4) Practice makes perfect. Log onto the Coast Area as much as you can.